Beginners questions
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				Stewie1976
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Beginners questions
Hi, I have a couple of beginners questions that I can't quite find answers to, and apologies in advance for what is probably stupid questions, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
1) when covering the plane with tissue, I am struggling with unsightly areas where the tissue gets folded. However my question is should I literally be covering the top and bottom only, and not trying to cover the outside edges, leaving the balsa visible. I have tried numerous different ways and can't get a neat finish, but am loath the experiment with leaving the frame exposed if it ruins it.
2) on some videos I have seen people using uhu glue sticks, is this just a normal white glue stick such as "pritt stick" like we have in the uk, or is it a specific type. I have currently been using dope, but think an alternative might be easier.
Many thanks to anyone that might be able to give me any advice. I have attached a photo to explain better
I am dying to build a Fokker tri plane but want to try to build the "easier" models well first.
			
			
						1) when covering the plane with tissue, I am struggling with unsightly areas where the tissue gets folded. However my question is should I literally be covering the top and bottom only, and not trying to cover the outside edges, leaving the balsa visible. I have tried numerous different ways and can't get a neat finish, but am loath the experiment with leaving the frame exposed if it ruins it.
2) on some videos I have seen people using uhu glue sticks, is this just a normal white glue stick such as "pritt stick" like we have in the uk, or is it a specific type. I have currently been using dope, but think an alternative might be easier.
Many thanks to anyone that might be able to give me any advice. I have attached a photo to explain better
I am dying to build a Fokker tri plane but want to try to build the "easier" models well first.
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				kittyfritters
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Re: Beginners questions
Hi there!
For good instruction on covering read these three threads.
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1706
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2261
This will give you a good grounding in how to cover with tissue.
Howard
			
			
									
						
										
						For good instruction on covering read these three threads.
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1706
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2261
This will give you a good grounding in how to cover with tissue.
Howard
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				Phugoid
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Re: Beginners questions
Hi,
you can use prit stick, but I find them too claggy. The best ones I have used are the uhu ones (in the yellow tube). They are greasie and stickier and the lid screws on so they don't dry up. You can get them from Staples.
Generally I use PVA though.
I this build thread as a beginners guide and to see whether or not you can build a flyer from one of these things. It has all of the ugly bits and cock ups too. It's very long, so the bits about covering are on page 20 onwards
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2215
To be fair I always seem to struggle with the Guillows tissue, Scigs seems to be able to use the stuff with gay abandon and end up with super results.
Have a look over on hip pocket aeronautics, there are a lot of Brits over there, we seem to hang about quite a bit in the scale indoor section.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php
Also I reccomend mike Stuart's excellent site, especially the section relating to "building your first flying scale model"
http://www.ffscale.co.uk/
Andrew Darby
			
			
									
						
										
						you can use prit stick, but I find them too claggy. The best ones I have used are the uhu ones (in the yellow tube). They are greasie and stickier and the lid screws on so they don't dry up. You can get them from Staples.
Generally I use PVA though.
I this build thread as a beginners guide and to see whether or not you can build a flyer from one of these things. It has all of the ugly bits and cock ups too. It's very long, so the bits about covering are on page 20 onwards
http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2215
To be fair I always seem to struggle with the Guillows tissue, Scigs seems to be able to use the stuff with gay abandon and end up with super results.
Have a look over on hip pocket aeronautics, there are a lot of Brits over there, we seem to hang about quite a bit in the scale indoor section.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php
Also I reccomend mike Stuart's excellent site, especially the section relating to "building your first flying scale model"
http://www.ffscale.co.uk/
Andrew Darby
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				Steve Blanchard
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Re: Beginners questions
Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Now, seeing that this is an International site of sorts you may want to check the cross over of slang before you post. Especially when you are going to speak in regards of someone's "abandon". Not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld reference...look it up). By the way, I think it would be safe for you not to talk about cigarettes as a Brit might either when a good part of the viewership is from America. 
 
Just trying to save you some possible embarrassment
Steve
			
			
									
						
										
						Just trying to save you some possible embarrassment
Steve
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				Phugoid
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Re: Beginners questions
Steve,
I appreciate your comments. I speak as I speak, I don't really care What interpretation may be put on perfectly innocent words. I'm not that easily embarised....Gay by definition is happy and carefree, it's not slang.
Never watched Seinfeld BTW, it's not that big over here.
Andrew
			
			
									
						
										
						I appreciate your comments. I speak as I speak, I don't really care What interpretation may be put on perfectly innocent words. I'm not that easily embarised....Gay by definition is happy and carefree, it's not slang.
Never watched Seinfeld BTW, it's not that big over here.
Andrew
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				kittyfritters
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Re: Beginners questions
Steve Blanchard wrote:Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Now, seeing that this is an International site of sorts you may want to check the cross over of slang before you post. Especially when you are going to speak in regards of someone's "abandon". Not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld reference...look it up). By the way, I think it would be safe for you not to talk about cigarettes as a Brit might either when a good part of the viewership is from America.![]()
Just trying to save you some possible embarrassment
Steve
My wife is of Welsh extraction, still has relatives in the U.K., and we visit when we can afford it. I know the difference in the slang on opposite sides of the pond but sometimes it's a real effort to hold back a laugh in the middle of an otherwise serious conversation.
Howard
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				Phugoid
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Re: Beginners questions
The welsh are entirely different breed. 
  
 
Oven in welsh = popty
Microwave oven = popty ping
 
 
Andrew
			
			
									
						
										
						Oven in welsh = popty
Microwave oven = popty ping
Andrew
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				Steve Blanchard
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Re: Beginners questions
Sounds like the description of a small engine starting up
			
			
									
						
										
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				Phugoid
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Re: Beginners questions
Steve Blanchard wrote:Sounds like the description of a small engine starting up
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				Mitch
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Re: Beginners questions
Welcome aboard, and I truley believe there are no "stupid qurestions".
I have attached paper in several different ways over the years. Using dope is NOT the easiest.
1. I now use Glue Sticks... currently the ones that are purple and dry clear. That way you can see if you missed a spot.
2. I use Lite Tissue paper and I cover with it DRY. Only apply glue to the edges of the work area.
3. Wait at LEAST 30 minutes, then spray with water.
4. For wings, I cover the bottom first. Come up around the LE and TE. When dry cut and sand away excess.
5. Cover the top and overlap the bottom. Sand away excess and you should have a nice color line (If different colors)
6. Then I brush on clear DOPE. Usually 2 coats is sufficient as I fly my models.
Hope that helps... Mitch
			
			
									
						
										
						I have attached paper in several different ways over the years. Using dope is NOT the easiest.
1. I now use Glue Sticks... currently the ones that are purple and dry clear. That way you can see if you missed a spot.
2. I use Lite Tissue paper and I cover with it DRY. Only apply glue to the edges of the work area.
3. Wait at LEAST 30 minutes, then spray with water.
4. For wings, I cover the bottom first. Come up around the LE and TE. When dry cut and sand away excess.
5. Cover the top and overlap the bottom. Sand away excess and you should have a nice color line (If different colors)
6. Then I brush on clear DOPE. Usually 2 coats is sufficient as I fly my models.
Hope that helps... Mitch
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				kittyfritters
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Re: Beginners questions
Nah. They were just making microwave popcorn.Steve Blanchard wrote:Sounds like the description of a small engine starting up
Howard
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				limey
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Re: Beginners questions
Stewie try good old tissue paste easily obtainable in the UK just a little practice will help.  Give it a try   good luck    limey