Then and now

[Bill Gaylord]

The P80's one of those that's been at the top of the list forever, but never happened. One of these days, and P80, not T33. I can't say I've every seen a finished photo of the Cleveland P80.
I remember not long ago when I could get a Sig WWII canopy (almost perfect for this plane) in 5", 6", 7" at the LHS. Not any more.

[Mitch]

Hey Dave,

That looks really neat. At a ws of 30 inches that will be a large model. I purchased a set of plans of the P-80 some time ago, but as yet have not gotten to it.
The plans I have have a ws of approx. 24 inches.

And yes, this does not look like a simple build.

Mitch

[Phugoid]

Wow that is a nice kit, that plan is a work of art in it's own right.

Andrew

[Mitch]

Dave,

Just one more question. I see the box says "A flight engineered model" I know you will build for static. But how was this kit intended to fly?

I also found out that the Rapier Motors from the Czech Republic are now considered "fireworks" so I think they will be no longer available.

Mitch

[Mitch]

Thanks Dave, looks like that is for tether control. When I make mine it will be either a glider or I will have different nose plugs for display or fly with prop.

FAC Rule allows modern jet aircraft to be flown with rubber power and propeller. Mitch

[BillParker]

Nice and big... Looking forward to this thing... Go Dave, GO!


bp

[Goldy]

David,
You have brought back a few good memories. The Canadian version of these things used to be seen overhead several times a day when I was a kid; my best friend's father was a pilot and often dropped out of the sky and tipped his wings when we were out on the lake.
It's educational, inspiring and amazing to watch you build...you're a true artist! I can hardly wait to see how this one comes out. Please keep us posted!

[UPLANDBOY]

DAVE: I was class of '60 and I remember Cleveland kits. I started several of them but only finished 2 or 3 them. They required a lot of skill that I did not have. I am looking forward to seeing you finished p-80 kit. I an sure it will be very nice. Many years ago Cleveland was purchased by an avid modeler. The kits have been discontinued but the plans are sold for scratch builders under "CLEVELAND AIRLINES". I wish they would be rekitted. Viewers can read the Cleveland History and see the product line on the "CLEVELANDAIRLINE" web site

Good luck
Dave

[Mitch]

Dave,

I want to thank you for this post as well. I did acquire plans for the P-80. But In my last few jet builds (AeroMasters) I think it would be very difficult with out directions. When I get to building my P-80 I will refer to you thread.

Nice job, as always. I look to your models for finish work, but of course my models are a different build... for flying.

Mitch

[Mitch]

Hey Dave,

Looking Good... Just make sure you put the stars with points up. I have even seen models at FAC contests with the Insignia upside down! I guess it is not that uncommon. Last model I built, I am trying to be so careful to get the decal smooth... then thinking... "why does this look wrong... OH NO!!!" Then in a panic to get it off... add water and get it right side up!

Mitch... keep up the good work

[Steve Blanchard]

I'd hate to be the guy who has to check!

[birdbuster]

Lookin' good

[BillParker]

That's really somethin'... I'd have lost my mind.

[BillParker]

ammonia is nitrogen, and celulose (wood, paper) is nitrogen, so they blend...

Thank you Howard... **WINK*


bp

[David Lewis]

David Duckett wrore: "I've heard there's something in ammonia that softens the fibers of the balsa and I've seen, on TV, steam being used in bending wood for ships."

The surfactant in Windex may help water get into balsa a little better. Ammonia is sometimes used to bend wood because it breaks down lignan. However, the lignan content of balsa is low so ammonia doesn't make a noticable difference. I think you can use plain water just as well.